Stop Giving Toxic People Your Time - Darius Foroux (2024)

Do you ever get upset about the nasty behavior of your co-workers, friends, or even family? Well, if you let others upset you, it’s not their fault.

“It’s not me, it’s him!” is what most of us say. We’re always quick to blame others for how we feel.

We say that others make us feel that way. But that’s false. You decide how you feel about the things that happen in your life.

Events can’t harm us. Our perception of an event harms us. That’s one of the most important ideas of Stoic philosophy.

In other words, you decide what meaning you give to the things that happen in your life. If your friend tells lies about you behind your back, and you get upset, that’s because you decided to get upset.

After all, you don’t control others. That’s why who you spend your time with is a matter of life and death.

The great Stoic philosopher, Epictetus, said this in his Manual For Living:

“Avoid fraternizing with people who don’t share your values. Prolonged association with those with false ideas can only tarnish your thinking.”

It’s something I truly live by. I’ve seen others destroy people’s lives too often to take this idea carelessly.

And I bet that you’ve had your share of, for lack of a better term, “toxic” people in your life.

There Are Two Kinds OfPeople

  • People with values
  • People without values

I think that less than 1% of the population has values. Values entail nothing more than answers to questions like:

  • How do you treat people?
  • How do you treat yourself?
  • What’s right and what’s wrong?

Here’s an easy way to detect people without values: When you see that someone becomes an entirely different person in a heartbeat — that’s when you know someone has no values.

For example, at our company, we recently hired a toxic intern. The intern turned out to be a different person from the person we thought we hired.

Of course, that’s our mistake. Even though we talked extensively about values during the interview process, we didn’t detect any warning signals.

And everything was fine during the first week. But as soon as the intern found a partner in one of our other interns, things started to change.

All of a sudden, with this new-found support, the intern started gossiping, trying to manipulate others, and causing mayhem. Fortunately, we identified it quickly and communicated that we have a zero-tolerance policy for toxic behavior.

It’s not an unusual thing in organizations. People often hide their true colors. I should say, they hide the fact that they don’t have colors.

When you lack values, you automatically gravitate towards natural human behavior. And that’s very dark. I recently read 12 Rules For Life by Dr. Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist, and a professor at the University of Toronto.

His fundamental proposition is that people are malevolent and that life is suffering. To prove that statement, Peterson shares compelling examples of human history with us.

He’s right. People have always lied, killed, and deceived their way through life.

But There’s An Alternative

Look, you can easily go down the rabbit hole of nasty behavior. Just spend enough time with bad people — eventually, you will become one of them.

You can also fill your days with gossiping, lying, and manipulating others. And you’ll probably also feel good when you do it. A sense of power, no matter how it’s achieved, gives people satisfaction. That’s how our minds work.

So when you recognize someone who doesn’t have principles, shows nasty behavior, and has multiple personalities — step away.

Instead, surround yourself with people who want the best for you.

Not with people who are jealous, can’t see your success, and thrive off negativity. I think this is important to realize for anyone who wants to live a good life.

A few years ago, when I started to live a conscious life, I had to say goodbye to people who only wanted to live a life of pleasure.

And I’ve also seen other friends that started to change their life for the better but were dragged back into the bottomless pit of darkness by others.

But as you and I both know, life is also full of warm and caring people. It’s not all bad.

Be Stingy With YourTime

“You’re the average of the five people you spend your time with.” It has become such a cliché. But I don’t think that we truly understand the impact that other people can have on us.

Like Epictetus said, others can tarnish your thinking. Is that worth it?

Look at it this way. Would you give $1000 to the people in your life if they asked for it? If the answer is no, stop giving the people who don’t share the same values as you, your time.

I’ve narrowed down the list of people I spend 90% of my time with to my direct family and my two best friends. Other than that, I spend my time working and exercising. That’s what I mostly do. And I’ve never enjoyed my life this much.

So if you have a job you love, and a few people in your life who you love, you don’t even have more time to spend.

Nothing else gives more satisfaction than having a meaningful career and a strong family.

“But what if my family is toxic?”

Inspire them to change for the better. I don’t give up on my family. Even if it takes 10 years, I will still try to help them.

Create Your Values, And Stick ToThem

To live a virtuous life, you need principles. Without principles (or values), we have no character. And without character, we’re nothing.

“Who cares!”

Well, you should care. You’re the one who looks in the mirror every day. Are you happy with what you see?

That’s the only measure I have for my life. I must like the person I see in the mirror. If I don’t like that guy, I’ll change. That’s what I’ve always done. And that’s what I still do every day.

Improve Yourself

What’s the alternative? Like Peterson concludes in his 12 Rules For Life, there’s no other viable option for life.

There’s only one path to happiness: Forward motion.

You need the promise of what could be. You need a path to a better life. None of us is perfect.

It doesn’t matter if we ever reach our desired destination or not. What matters is that we keep improving.

Dig Deeper

If you want to hear more thoughts on why you should surround yourself with good people, listen to my podcast episode about it.

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The passage you've shared delves into Stoic philosophy, human behavior, values, and the impact of associations on personal growth and well-being. Here's an overview of the concepts covered:

  1. Stoic Philosophy and Perception of Events:

    • Events themselves don't harm us; it's our perception and interpretation of events that affect us.
    • Epictetus' idea emphasizes that we control our reactions and feelings toward events, not the events themselves.
  2. Personal Values and Behaviors:

    • The distinction between people with values and those without.
    • Values encompass how individuals treat others, themselves, discern right from wrong, and maintain consistency in behavior.
    • Detection of individuals lacking values: sudden shifts in behavior, lack of consistency, and manipulation.
  3. Impact of Environment and Associations:

    • The influence of environment on behavior, as highlighted by the toxic behavior of an intern affecting the workplace.
    • Jordan Peterson's perspective on human malevolence and suffering throughout history.
  4. Choosing Associations Wisely:

    • The significance of choosing the right company to avoid negative influences.
    • Advocacy for surrounding oneself with positive, supportive, and value-aligned individuals to lead a fulfilling life.
  5. Time and Relationships:

    • The analogy of being the average of the five people one spends the most time with, emphasizing the impact of associations on personal development.
    • Prioritizing time with family and close friends who share similar values.
  6. Self-Improvement and Character Building:

    • The importance of principles and character in leading a virtuous life.
    • Continuous self-improvement as the path to happiness and fulfillment.
    • Encouragement to reflect on one's actions and strive for personal growth daily.
  7. Podcast Promotion:

    • The reference to a podcast episode expanding on the idea of surrounding oneself with good company.

These ideas stem from a mix of Stoic philosophy, psychological insights (such as those from Jordan Peterson), personal experiences, and practical advice on leading a fulfilling life through conscious choices in associations and values.

Stop Giving Toxic People Your Time - Darius Foroux (2024)

FAQs

What do the Stoics say about toxic people? ›

Stoics believe that we should focus our energy on things we can control and let go of things we can't. So, when dealing with difficult people, remember that we can't control their actions or attitudes, but we sure can control how we respond to them.

How do you not let toxic people ruin your life? ›

Regarding toxic people, giving too much thought to their troublesome nature only grants them influence over you. Prioritize your well-being and reclaim your power. Quit thinking about how troubling your difficult person is, and focus instead on how you're going to go about handling them.

Are Stoics narcissist? ›

Stoics believe in living in the present and accepting what is happening in the moment, while narcissists are often focused on their own immediate needs and desires. Both groups can be seen as being somewhat self-centered, although again, for different reasons.

What happens when you ignore a toxic person? ›

Having a toxic person ignore your boundaries can not only lead to a breakdown of trust in your relationship but can also cause you not to trust others in your life. You may find yourself constantly on edge, wondering when they will violate your boundaries again.

What causes a toxic person? ›

Many times, people who are toxic are dealing with their own stresses and traumas. To do this, they act in ways that don't present them in the best light and usually upset others along the way. Toxicity in people isn't considered a mental disorder.

Do toxic people know they're toxic? ›

Some toxic people consciously know this, and move through life with this objective in mind. Other toxic people act unconsciously, ignorant of the fact that their relationships are utilitarian (which, in some ways, is even more unsettling).

How do toxic people act? ›

Lack of empathy: They have little or no ability to understand or relate to the feelings of others and may not consider how their actions or words impact others. Control and manipulation: A toxic person may try to control or manipulate others for their own benefit, often using guilt, fear, or other tactics.

What do toxic people say? ›

Going scorched earth with statements like “I'm done” or “I want a divorce” — or even “I hate you” — can do considerable damage, even if you don't mean them. Getting angry with each other is normal. But lashing out and saying extreme things in the heat of the moment is just unhealthy, Whetstone said.

Can you sense a toxic person? ›

Recognizing a “toxic person” may be more about identifying how they make you feel rather than what they do or say. If you're interacting with a person with toxic behaviors, you may: feel confused and unsure of yourself. leave the interaction feeling drained, angry, or full of anxiety.

How do Stoics deal with narcissists? ›

Stoicism says we cannot control others' actions, only our own judgments and responses. By focusing inward on our values, judgments and mental resilience, we can minimize the suffering caused by narcissists' blows. A core tenet of Stoicism holds that events themselves do not cause pain or happiness.

What is the problem of evil in Stoicism? ›

There's this idea in Stoicism that if someone is evil, then they are simply ignorant. That is, people do wrong because they don't know any better. It's not that they are malicious or malevolent, but that they weren't taught how to live properly. “Life is neither good nor evil, but only a place for good and evil.”

Do Stoics believe in evil? ›

To the Stoic, there is no good or bad fortune — events, good or bad, are welcomed just as they come. But morally evil intentions still have a defined place in Stoicism since vices like laziness, greed, and deceit are anathema to achieving virtue — the ultimate good that is the goal of Stoicism.

Is Stoicism a toxic trait? ›

Stoicism does not promote or endorse the toxic behaviors associated with toxic masculinity. On the contrary, it offers a framework for personal growth, emotional intelligence, and ethical living that is applicable to individuals of any gender.

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