How many familiars can I have if I have both Wild Companion and Find Familiar Spells? - Druid - Class Forums - D&D Beyond Forums (2024)

I was reading it as I wrote the comment.

Wild companion is a class feature not to spell that's why...

you don't need the material components,

The familiar is "fey instead of a beast" or why it can't be a celestial or fiend,

And why your familiar disappears after number of hours equal to half your druid level.

And again…"Though as always the DM will have the deciding vote."

I stand by my previous post as the class feature functions more like a Conger animals spell then the genuine find familiar spell, with the intention I'm giving you the temporary aid of a wild critter instead of the permanent relationship of a familiar.

And that ultimately the DM will decide.

Wild Companion

2nd-level druid feature

You gain the ability to summon a spirit that assumes an animal form: as an action, you can expend a use of your Wild Shape feature to cast the find familiar spell, without material components.

When you cast the spell in this way, the familiar is a fey instead of a beast, and the familiar disappears after a number of hours equal to half your druid level.

No, it literally lets you cast exactly that spell. That means it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any other spell at all for any reason ever. It lets you cast that one specific spell, and that spell says you can only have one familiar.

You can't have more than one familiar at a time. If you cast this spell while you already have a familiar, you instead cause it to adopt a new form. Choose one of the forms from the above list. Your familiar transforms into the chosen creature.

as an action, you can expend a use of your Wild Shape feature to cast thefind familiarspell

You are casting the spell, which means you follow the text of the spell. The only exceptions are explicitly listed (limited duration, must be fey). Youcan't get two familiars like this.

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You can't have more than one familiar at a time. If you cast this spell while you already have a familiar, you instead cause it to adopt a new form. Choose one of the forms from the above list. Your familiar transforms into the chosen creature.

as an action, you can expend a use of your Wild Shape feature to cast thefind familiarspell

You are casting the spell, which means you follow the text of the spell. The only exceptions are explicitly listed (limited duration, must be fey). Youcan't get two familiars like this.

Nope You can have 2 find familiars, just Have your Familiar cast FIND FAMILIAR, it is NO longer the same spell.

Finally, when you cast a spell with a range of touch, your familiar can deliver the spell as if it had cast the spell. Your familiar must be within 100 feet of you, and it must use its reaction to deliver the spell when you cast it. If the spell requires an attack roll, you use your attack modifier for the roll.

Do we disagree on who casts a spell when you cast a spell through your familiar?

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Nope You can have 2 find familiars, just Have your Familiar cast FIND FAMILIAR, it is NO longer the same spell.

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I stand by my previous post as the class feature functions more like a Conger animals spell then the genuine find familiar spell, with the intention I'm giving you the temporary aid of a wild critter instead of the permanent relationship of a familiar.

And that ultimately the DM will decide.

not sure what the DM is supposed to be deciding, it says you're casting the spell (with a few edits)...so the end result is no different than if you cast two of the same spell round after round....exact same scenario.

"you can expend a use of your Wild Shape feature to cast the find familiar spell,"

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Nope You can have 2 find familiars, just Have your Familiar cast FIND FAMILIAR, it is NO longer the same spell.

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lol, well said. Since the range of Find Familiar is 10ft, it doesn't even count, I am very amused by how badly the one poster wants to change the rules to get 2 familiars.

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Nope You can have 2 find familiars, just Have your Familiar cast FIND FAMILIAR, it is NO longer the same spell.

"Everything you just [wrote] is wrong.” — Luke Skywalker

lol, well said. Since the range of Find Familiar is 10ft, it doesn't even count, I am very amused by how badly the one poster wants to change the rules to get 2 familiars.

YOU ALL NEED TO LEARN TO READ

INTHE FIND FAMILIAR SPELL STRAIGHT COPIED AND PASTED IT SAYS

Finally, when you cast a spell with a range of touch, your familiar can deliver the spell as if it had cast the spell. Your familiar must be within 100 feet of you, and it must use its reaction to deliver the spell when you cast it. If the spell requires an attack roll, you use your attack modifier for the roll.

Find familiar has a range of ten feet

past ten feet THERE IS ZERO CHANCE IT IS THE SAME SPELL

THE FAMILIAR CAN FIND A FAMILIAR UP TO 90 ft PAST THE STANDARD SPELL COMPONENTS AND RANGE.

or are you claiming the familiar can only cast touch spells. As ONLY is not in the familiars spellcasting

it is 100% not the original spells intent PLUS IT IS USING TASHAS OPTIONAL WILDCOMPANION CLASS FEATURE THRU THE FAMILIARS TELEPATHIC CONNECTION UP TO 100 FT AWAY WITHIN THE ALOTED TIME RESTRICTIONS FOR THE DRUID

IT IS NOT THE SAME SPELL THE WIZARD OR SPELLCASTER USES.

if this is not the case them its a error of tashas as it heavily make it a waste of moon druid combat wildshape, WHY WOULD ANYONE GIVE UP CR1WILDSHAPE FOR A COMMON WILDSHAPE FEATURE WITH RESTRICTIONS WHEN THE STANDARD FAMILIARS ARE INCREDIBLY PATHETIC AND WEAK.

im trying to understand the efficiency of using find familiar with MOON DRUID WILD COMPANION WILDSHAPE FEATURE.

or its a weak pointless option added to druids by tashas.

Again, everything you just wrote is incorrect.

Your familiar doesn’t cast any spells whatsoever, you do and the familiar simply channels it. It has no spell list, so it cannot cast anything. It does not have the “Spellcasting” or “Innate Spellcasting” features, so it cannot cast anything.

Find Familiar does not have a range of “touch” so the Familiar cannot channel it for you anyway. And since the familiars cannot actually cast any spells, the word “only” is unnecessary because this is the only interaction it has with spells is channeling one for its master.

Range is irrelevant, if the name of the spell is “Find Familiar,” then it is the Find Familiar, pure and simple. And the FF spell specifies that you can only have one Familiar at a time.

And if you think having a Familiar is a weak option then don’t effing use it, but frankly, considering how amazing familiars are and to what lengths people will go to get one for their character, if you say familiars suck then that just goes to show how little you actually know about the subject.

You need to learn to read before insulting people who know more than you and SHOUTING AT THEM RUDELY IN ALLCAPS.

I hope that helps.

First off, the familiar delivers the spell, it does not cast the spell. YOU are still the one casting the spell, channeling it through your familiar's body "as if" it had cast the spell. My mother in law acts "as if" she were the queen of the world, but I can assure you she is not in-fact the actual queen of the world. Similarly, your familiar is not in-fact casting a spell.

Secondly, the familiar can only deliver your spell if the range of the spell is touch. Find familiar has a range of 10 feet, therefore you cannot use a familiar's ability to deliver your spell when casting find familiar.

The option to use wild shape for a familiar in Tasha's was mostly aimed at druids that don't have any enhancement for their wild shape, i.e. Land druids, Shepherd druids, and Dreams druids. Nevertheless, familiars are very useful for anyone, so moon druids may very well want to summon a familiar. Familiars are useful for scouting and for delivering touch spells (such as healing touch) at range. If you're playing a moon/wildfire/stars/spore druid, I would try to do it with leftover wild shapes before taking a short rest.

Finally, having multiple familiars is doesn't really add all that much compared to having a single familiar. Certainly not worth investing a feat for it.

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Nope You can have 2 find familiars, just Have your Familiar cast FIND FAMILIAR, it is NO longer the same spell.

"Everything you just [wrote] is wrong.” — Luke Skywalker

lol, well said. Since the range of Find Familiar is 10ft, it doesn't even count, I am very amused by how badly the one poster wants to change the rules to get 2 familiars.

YOU ALL NEED TO LEARN TO READ

INTHE FIND FAMILIAR SPELL STRAIGHT COPIED AND PASTED IT SAYS

Finally, when you cast a spell with a range of touch, your familiar can deliver the spell as if it had cast the spell. Your familiar must be within 100 feet of you, and it must use its reaction to deliver the spell when you cast it. If the spell requires an attack roll, you use your attack modifier for the roll.

Find familiar has a range of ten feet

past ten feet THERE IS ZERO CHANCE IT IS THE SAME SPELL

THE FAMILIAR CAN FIND A FAMILIAR UP TO 90 ft PAST THE STANDARD SPELL COMPONENTS AND RANGE.

or are you claiming the familiar can only cast touch spells. As ONLY is not in the familiars spellcasting

it is 100% not the original spells intent PLUS IT IS USING TASHAS OPTIONAL WILDCOMPANION CLASS FEATURE THRU THE FAMILIARS TELEPATHIC CONNECTION UP TO 100 FT AWAY WITHIN THE ALOTED TIME RESTRICTIONS FOR THE DRUID

IT IS NOT THE SAME SPELL THE WIZARD OR SPELLCASTER USES.

if this is not the case them its a error of tashas as it heavily make it a waste of moon druid combat wildshape, WHY WOULD ANYONE GIVE UP CR1WILDSHAPE FOR A COMMON WILDSHAPE FEATURE WITH RESTRICTIONS WHEN THE STANDARD FAMILIARS ARE INCREDIBLY PATHETIC AND WEAK.

im trying to understand the efficiency of using find familiar with MOON DRUID WILD COMPANION WILDSHAPE FEATURE.

or its a weak pointless option added to druids by tashas.

The wild companion feature is for all druids, not just moon druid, so "trying to understand the efficiency of using find familiar with MOON DRUID WILD COMPANION" is ignoring 7 other subclasses and even though in combat it may not make a lot of sense for a moon druid to do it since taking that subclass means you want to be an animal, there are lots of reasons why having a familiar is incredibly useful even for a moon druid.

"past ten feet THERE IS ZERO CHANCE IT IS THE SAME SPELL " - this is a meaningless statement

"PLUS IT IS USING TASHAS OPTIONAL WILDCOMPANION CLASS FEATURE THRU THE FAMILIARS TELEPATHIC CONNECTION UP TO 100 FT"

The wild companion feature doesn't mention distance at all, the entirety is below, all it does is let you cast the find familiar spell. That's it. As IamSposta

said you get to cast find familiar and that spell says you can only have one. If you want more buy the Lost Laboratory of Kwalish and use the spell Flock of Familiars or play with a DM that lets you have as many as you want, just know that is outside the rules

2nd-level druid feature

You gain the ability to summon a spirit that assumes an animal form: as an action, you can expend a use of your Wild Shape feature to cast the find familiar spell, without material components.

When you cast the spell in this way, the familiar is a fey instead of a beast, and the familiar disappears after a number of hours equal to half your druid level.